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But for the layman, who might not believe in the concept of magicks of any sort, how would you explain the whole concept of "becoming Invisible" on the waking plain rather than the astral one, as it would seem an outrageous boast that in our world of science and technology, this would be a feat that the greatest scientific minds of the eons have been unable to accomplish, yet someone schooled in the arts or the universe could accomplish however pointless the endeavour might be.

(bet you're wishing i hadnt come back now.....lol)

ah I know what you are talking about there
In 1943, the USS Eldridge allegedly underwent the Philadelphia
Experiment, rendering the ship invisible. The intense magnetic
force at work created an anomaly that teleported the ship
through a "rift" in space-time. The ship unexpectedly appeared in another location for a brief time, then reappeared in its place from which it vanished.

The truth of that so they say is this.............
The Eldridge, among other ships, were being fitted for 'de-gaussing, which means that the large magnetic fields produced by the ships (as a result of being long, metal, and pulsing with electricicty) were being 'cleaned up' to make them less visible 'to their own radar and navigation systems.' In other words, the massive metal hulls, loaded with electric
current from the ship's operations, interfeared with the ship's own radar and navigation systems. And now the radar technology was changing, to use shorter wavelengths of the radar range, and more susceptable to being distorted by the ship's large electric fields.
They engineered a way to cancel these fields out by running large Tesla coils along the length of the entire ship in very specific locations, even changing wire diameters from very thick to hair-like thin in some places, to absorb the fields by magnetic inductance and thereby cancel the ship's electric fields out. This technology is now over five decades old, gone common knowledge and later abandoned for better ways, although back then, it was regarded as secret, with the logic that the enemy might not be able to engineer a way to clean up their own ships magnetic interference, and
therefore not be able to use the newer technology of radar – which gave us an advantage. They might not even be able to detect our radar emissions for the same reason, and not even know, therefore, that we were watching by a wavelength of radar they could not work with. Some of the scientists and engineers referred to this process as 'making the ship invisible.'

Apparently, some workers (not educated in science) misunderstood what they were hearing when the scientists and engineers would refer to making the ship 'invisible,' refering to making the ship's massive metal hull invisible to it's own radar, or rather, making the hull so that it would not interfere with the ship's own radar.
Some fifty years later, the rumor/fantasy has evolved, thanks to some
media and the internet, to all of the sci-fi it appears as today. But most of us probably don't want to believe that. It's infinitely more amusing to believe that a ship became invisible, travelled through time and space, etc… What actually happened will not change regardless of what
we choose to believe..........lol

Sorry im sure you didnt want to know that.......lol

But there is a Phenomenon know as "Involuntary human invisibility" that has been fairly well documented and reseaching this on the net I came along this story as one of many....
the story from a thirty-seven year old man, Peter in Gloucestershire, England, who was at a private party in 1987. He walked upstairs to use the bathroom and was followed by a woman who also wanted to use the bathroom. The woman motioned for him to go first and she stood outside the door to wait her turn. Peter used the bathroom, opened the door and walked out into the hallway, closing the door behind him. He went on down the stairs and walked over to some friends and started talking to them. They all ignored him completely. He though they were playing a joke on him, so he walked away and found his girlfriend and asked her for a cigarette. She, too, acted like she didn't see or hear him. Peter was getting angry by this time and thought the joke had gone too far. He decided to walk back upstairs and catch the woman coming out of the bathroom and ask her for a cigarette. "...I walked back up the stairs and, on reaching the bathroom landing, I came across the girl again who was standing outside the bathroom door, clearly still waiting for me to come out. When she saw me, her face dropped in surprise for clearly she thought that I was still in the bathroom." Peter returned to the party downstairs and everything was normal again and he was able to be seen and heard. When he questioned his friends and girlfriend as to why they had ignored him, they all swore that they had never seen or heard him. Obviously the woman upstairs had not seen him come out of the bathroom and go downstairs.
Also this one.....
Then there is the case of Melanie in Ventura, California, who became invisible while sitting on her own living room sofa and staring at the wall, lost in her own thoughts. Her husband was walking around the house looking for her but could not see her sitting there, only several feet away from where he was walking. This lasted for approximately ten minutes, then she was suddenly visible again. Her husband was quite upset with her and thought she had been hiding from him. She assured him that she had been sitting there all along, but to this day, he does not believe her.

Human invisibility has been written about for centuries. Indo-European and pre-Aryan shamanistic beliefs accompanied the peoples who eventually migrated into the Indus Valley (approx. 2,500-1,500 BCE). Here, men and women of great spiritual attainment, superior knowledge, and extraordinary powers came to be called rishis. The Vedas, which form the basis of Hinduism, emanated from the teachings of the rishis, starting around 1,000 BCE In these texts, we find descriptions of the rituals and techniques of the Hindu priests, sounding very much like the magical and shamanistic abilities of the old sorcerers, magicians and shamans. Later in Hinduism, around 700-300 BCE, we find the secret doctrines, called the Upanishads, which were written for students. Within the Upanishads, there is a section called the "Yogatattva," which gives the rich mystical philosophy of the discipline and theory of practice for attaining knowledge of the essence of God. A serious student of raja yoga was taught that certain supernormal powers, called siddhas, were a natural outcome of gaining mastery over one's mind and environment, and were used as valuable indications of the student's spiritual progress. One of these yogic siddhas was human invisibility. Patanjali, author of the Yoga-sutra, which is one of the earliest treatises among the early Indian writings, attempts to describe the process whereby human invisibility occurred. He says that concentration and meditation can make the body imperceptible to other men, and "a direct contact with the light of the eyes no longer existing, the body disappears." The light engendered in the eye of the observer no longer comes into contact with the body that has become invisible, and the observer sees nothing at all. There is not a lot written about how this occurs; the explanation of the process whereby invisibility was brought into being was most likely left up to the teacher to impart to the student directly.

We can also look at Rosicrucianism, which started in Europe in the fifteenth century. Among the papers of that time, there are a number of them that talk about invisibility. A brother in the Rosicrucian fraternity wrote a paper on how to walk invisible among men, and there is evidence that this was being taught in those early days. H. Spencer Lewis, the founder of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis in San Jose, California, stated that one can gain invisibility with the use of clouds. He says that clouds or bodies of mist can be called out of the invisible to surround a person and thus shut him out of the sight of others. According to Lewis, this secret practice is still taught in the mystical schools of today. The written literature on this subject supports the statement that the cloud is the basis of the Rosicrucian invisibility secret.

Interestingly, a man named John Macky, who was an early Masonic leader (the early Masons were believed to be an offshoot of the Rosicrucians) taught a method whereby any man could render himself invisible. Another offshoot of the Rosicrucian fraternity, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, left manuscripts describing the Ritual of Invisibility. These manuscripts talk about surrounding yourself with a shroud, which is described as looking like "a cloud." It is said that Madame Blavatsky, of the Theosophical Society, witnessed this invisibility for herself and was actually given the secret, thereafter accomplishing this for herself on several occasions in front of witnesses. The literature on the Spiritualists in the U.S. shows that there is no doubt they, too, knew about the cloud and its creation.

So, just what is this cloud? We are looking for something that is between empty space and actual physical matter, something unseen by the naked eye but very much in existence. The Rosicrucian manual tells us that the first form into which spirit essence concentrates preparatory to material manifestation is electrons. When spiritual essence gathers into very minute focal points of electrical charge (due to certain conditions), we have the creation of electrons. Science reports that such a cloud of free electrons will absorb all light entering it; it will not reflect nor refract light waves, nor are light waves able to pass through a human being. Consequently the observer’s eye sees nothing there and the person surrounded by such a cloud is invisible. Since light is necessary for human sight, when there are no reflected or refracted light waves bouncing off a person and hitting the observer’s retina, the person is not able to be seen and is not visible under normal circumstances.

So is this something that can only be obtained through ritual, or indeed something that can happen as a natural event?
For those around that do not believe this to be possible the answer would definately be a resounding NO.....but the possibilties are endless in just what the universe and our own minds are capable of.

Thanks alot for answering this Gnosti, I was curious about how this Phenomena is percieved through the eyes of Thelema.


this post contains Excerpts from an article by by Donna Higbee, CHT

This is true.......

I like information of all kinds Sir....... wanna give me the spiritual standpoint too?.....purlease

I do feel that everything we say or do in life, despite religious, spiritual or scientific differences has ties to each other in the make up of the universe.
We are all the same, yet look different, think the same yet have different views and its those differences im looking for.....
I must say something at this point, my interest in Thelemic practices and teachings has suddenly taken a huge upsurge and im afraid you will have to bear the brunt of the blame for this (Hint: its cos you're good)
Even though having tried to read the book of Law and the book of lies I still have no clue how to learn from them as they do appear as non-sensical to me......maybe this old dog cant learn new tricks after all.....but hell it dont stop me from trying......lol